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16 January 2008 @ 08:51 pm
Oh man, good sandwich.  
Oh hey, it turns out that the folks at metaquotes don't like being called jerks. Or they don't understand the awesome power of sass. Either way, fuck their jerky club for jerks, ahahaha.

I've noticed that a lot of fandom people have no taste. And are stupid. LOL ohnoes I'm so immature! What a terrible thing to be. (lolololololol) I don't know, maybe all of this stupid shit is just fandom trying to tell me to get out. I've been doing this for an embarrassingly long time, and in the last year or so it's been more and more like someone hung up a sign that said "Seth, go home."

I swear to god it did not used to be like this, but I can't tell whether I changed or the community did. Listen, the fandom shit I was in was always mostly female. It's only within the past few years that it has become self-consciously feminist, however, and that makes me uncomfortable. Not the feminist part, I mean, but the self-conscious part. The navel-gazing, the attribution of great importance to stupid little details transformed into academic posturing. Oh, and everyone has their little say, even when they're just saying the same shit the people before them did. Wow.

You know, I'm okay with mostly female groups. I tend to prefer being friends with girls, really. And I'm certainly more of a feminist now than I was a few years ago. But I'm still uncomfortable with this stupid gender politicking and posturing. I'm uncomfortable with the revisionist "history," and the disingenuous claim that "girls did it first, omg!" Let's be honest here, fandom as we know it today (and this includes the girl side, with the slash and all) grew out of the old school sci-fi/spec/horror fiction fans and writers. And they were pretty much male. Oh snap. Yes, slash writers did a lot of new stuff, and the slash writers are overwhelmingly women. And that's important but, well...

You know, if I were more mean and/or daring, I would make some sort of comment about "hysterical ladies" on one of those entries that pretends that writing porn is art and oh so transgressive and what the fuck? Okay, yes, some fanstuff is transgressive and subverting or commenting upon the original, but most of it is not. The overwhelming majority of it is masturbatory dreck. And even most of the readable stuff is meant to just be fun. Do you fuckers remember fun?

Almost every time I try to write this shit out, I just get disinterested after a paragraph and go out in search of food, sex, cuddling, cats in need of petting, or pretty pictures. God, so ADD. Speaking of pretty, uh, JamesDean JamesDean MartinLandau JamesDean. Where is that fandom, I ask you? Fandom clearly has no taste, damn crappy club for stupid jerks.

Speaking of James Dean, it turns out that I really need to stop reading stuff about James Dean before trying to drive for long periods of time.
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does the w in woolworths stand for 'wool science'?saltedpin on January 17th, 2008 02:04 am (UTC)
Oh, for fuck's sake. Every time I come across one of these discussions I despair. Yes, because writing porn about fictional characters doing each other is really striking a massive in the cause of feminism. Fine, I understand that women should be allowed to enjoy porn as much as the guys, and that it's nice that we can finally do that, but dressing up in your Wincest fic and parading around as if you've just toppled the Saudi Arabian government is stupid.

I like fandom because I enjoy taking the piss out of my favourite characters and shows. Beyond that, I don't really care. If I felt moved to take up a cause, I'd do it via some other channel. Like, a useful one.
DrWorm: fuck me up!drworm on January 17th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)
It just kills me. I mean, I love being pretentious and applying literary and social criticism to stuff that doesn't deserve it, and even I read these and think it's completely pathetic. Interestingly, I was reading a book on mass movements and kept coming across psychological ideas that could be applied to the "academic" corner of fandom, where incredibly unimportant things become infused with meaning in order for the participants to feel they are doing something worthwhile. Which just falls so far down into the valley of sad that I just... don't even know.

I like fandom because I enjoy taking the piss out of my favourite characters and shows.

Exactly. Even the most "subversive" or "transformative" things I've done have been done while I was going "heeheehee this is awesome, lol gay, lol fandom."

I prefer useful stuff for my political activism as well. I can sort of accept doing sociological studies and analysis on fandom, but then I think most of the people trying to do academic stuff with fandom are waaaaay too close or identified with the subculture to provide an objective analysis. :/
Jonahcopperpoint on January 17th, 2008 02:47 am (UTC)
a lot of fandom people have no taste
This is a severe understatement.
DrWorm: fuck me up!drworm on January 17th, 2008 02:56 am (UTC)
Well, "fandom people have the taste of a particularly dull twelve-year-old girl" seemed unfair to the dull twelve-year-old girls of the world.
liana_zombilinaliana_zombilina on January 17th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
lol. Feel better after venting that?

My view on things is this: I don't care if you're male or female or who did what in history. Everyone's equal to me.

The way I judge a fic is this "Was it a fun/interesting read?"

I don't care if it's for art or fun, as long as I enjoy it. I don't enjoy most of the stuff out there. I tried writing some fics. I don't know if they're good or shit, but some people said they enjoyed reading them. That's cool with me then.

Don't run away and leave us. I'm still trying to get you to finish "A Bag of Mice" ... *hint hint*
DrWorm: geeks we bedrworm on January 18th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
Feel better after venting that?

Hah, well... I can't say yes because it never really caused me anything more than mild irritation in the first place. But then it's hard for me to claim I don't care, considering that I have expended energy writing about it. Still, it's not like I'm all that emotionally invested in these things. Like I said, usually I get completely distracted before I can work up a proper rant.

I'm still trying to get you to finish "A Bag of Mice" ... *hint hint*

Oh, I know, I know. That's high on my list of things to work on, believe it or not. I even managed to scribble down a paragraph yesterday, which I suspect is how it'll move forward nowadays. :/
kyuuuukyuuuu on January 17th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
"...one of those entries that pretends that writing porn is art and oh so transgressive and what the fuck?"


Porn is Art! Porn is Art! If you say it enough times it comes true. XD

I read fanfic for the porn. I'm shallow, yes. Can't I pretend it is art, so as not to think I've wasted my time with it?

Speaking of art and porn and fandom, would it be ok to post a link to a story at your comm, love_you_weird? It's Jeep/Hakkai, which is TOTALLY wierd, but is not part of the pairings group you have in your user info.

and to be honest, I'm hoping to post it to draw attenition to this new LJ I've created, kyuuuu, which is dedicated to Hakuryuu of Saiyuki. No sense in beating around the bush with you. After reading this entry of yours, I suspect you would see right through me anyway. XD

DrWorm: squallxlagunadrworm on January 21st, 2008 06:03 am (UTC)
Sorry for not replying right away. But yes, please, feel free to post Jeep/Hakkai stuff there. The community is really for anything that isn't Gojyo/Hakkai or Sanzo/Goku, so by all means have at it. Draw attention as much as you would like, it's all good.

After reading this entry of yours, I suspect you would see right through me anyway. XD

I sent away for x-ray specs! :D