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20 October 2003 @ 07:35 pm
The Democratic Party in the country is really just a bunch of communists with better press...  
And I mean that sincerely.

It seems pretty fashionable right now to hate Republicans. Don't give me any bullshit about those evil, bloodsucking, NAZI MOTHERFUCKERS keeping those peace-loving, good-willed and good intentioned Democrats down. Because, thus far... in my experience... I'm the one who gets picked on for not agreeing with the Democrats. I also get dismissed fairly quickly because, I'm sorry, people who consider themselves Democrats just don't listen. And don't call me a hypocrite here, because I considered myself a Democrat for a long time.

Then I grew up. The government has become about control of the people, not organization of the people. And Democrats seem to want to keep expanding that goverment until everything is subsidized, taxed, handed back out, put through the wringers of a thousand layers of bueracratic shit and spat back at the public, completely lifeless and the same as every ideal they claim to hold dear. Thanks. Thanks a lot. Give me a Republican any day.

Not that I like Republicans, mind. But I am, for the most part, a conservative... and it's just the lesser of two evils.

I want a country where the government is concentrated on national security, law enforcement, and justice. That's it. Stay the fuck away from the decisions of private businesses and organizations, stay away from health care, get rid of welfare, get rid of the public schools (since they obviously don't work very well), and teach people how to learn to fend for themselves. I know this will never happen, but I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?

Yes, I'm selfish. But I don't find altruism particularly noble or worthwhile. And I'd really like to be given to opportunity to decide for myself whether I want to be selfish or altruistic, thanks.

Libertarian... not getting elected since 1971!
Current Mood: cynicalcynical
Current Music: Tori Amos - Raining Blood
VimesLady: Actuallyvimeslady on October 20th, 2003 07:16 pm (UTC)
I'm a financial Conservative, a social Liberal, and more middle-of-the-road than anything else, but I've voted Republican my whole life. So has my quite elderly mother.

And then there was George W. Bush.

And we attacked Iraq.

And there was an official movement against gay marriage.

I know two voters who won't be voting Republican in 2004.
Jonahcopperpoint on October 20th, 2003 07:42 pm (UTC)
Well yes. I agree. Except the Democrats what to tax things to fund other things, like education. I can't fault them there.

"Get rid of public schools" You can't seriously be suggesting that the way to solve the problems facing our country is limit education to those who's families have enough money. I take issue with a lot of your points, but this one most of all. Do you really think the solution is less education?
DrWorm: sighdrworm on October 20th, 2003 08:52 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... *drums fingers on table* But I'm pretty sure it's been shown that pumping government funds into education doesn't do very much. I went through a public school system in Ohio that was pretty well-funded... it didn't do much for what I learned. And, in comparison to the two other school systems that I attended (which I don't think did have the same level of funding at all) the cirriculum and the level of students was generally about that same. I must have had close to 50 teachers throughout my public schooling, and I had one that really pushed me the way I need to be pushed, the way everyone needed to be pushed to actually learn and develop. I mean, one. Out of fifty or so. How pathetic can we get? And that's just my experience, but I think what's happened in this country is that most students and teachers lack motivation. In high school I scored well on tests and I helped make the school look pretty good... but I don't think the school itself had a lot to do with it. The priorities of public education in America are all wrong, and I don't think tax money does does much to improve an actual level of education.

It's a bit overly drastic to say 'eliminate the public schools' (and, yes, I do know that that is a fantasy). I suppose a better way to put it would be to say "eliminate government schools." To quote lp.org: "The politicians who run the public schools have created new regulations and mandated new programs. These are imposed on local schools. We have more bureaucracy and less innovation. We have more red tape and less creativity. More resources are spent on these matters. The cost of education goes up. The quality of education goes down."

So, in the real world, I support the voucher program and I support scholarship programs. I don't want to withhold education, I'm not really that horrible a person. But I know education is worth more when you're working to get it instead of getting it handed to you (watered down, washed out, and useless). And the people who care enough should have the opportunity. But I don't believe in spreading a blanket over people and pretending everyone is equal in intelligence and motivation, as the public schools often attempt to do.

So... not less education. Different education. Rethinking how we fund education and looking at what actually works rather then just letting bad ideas ferment and become worse over the years.
Jonahcopperpoint on October 20th, 2003 09:06 pm (UTC)
Well, you're assuming that because something does not currently work, that it cannot ever work. I wont say that the nations public school systems are perfect, far from it, but that's reason to work on them, not give up on them. And I agree: Educational policy should be determined by educators, not politicians. I'm a teachers aide in a public school, and despite budget cuts and reorganizations, my coworkers are among the most caring, dedicated people I've ever met. Even the mean ones.
I mean, you could pump enough money into the schools to make teaching a competitive industry and draw in the most talented people available, but that would just be silly.
The Scarlet Fever: cia teenybopper (by emmalynne)blackgarden on October 20th, 2003 07:45 pm (UTC)
I agree with most of that, except:

Stay the fuck away from the decisions of private businesses and organizations

Mostly, that's fine. I don't believe Microsoft should've been prosecuted for monopolizing the market, or whatever it was. But without something to keep businesses in check, they'll cut off peoples' heads and sell them back to the person at an inflated price. We'd end up with a bunch more Enrons, and people would just get screwed, dry, up the ass.

stay away from health care

As someone that's paying an insane amount for necessary health insurance, I'm hoping that the government sets up some kind of control or intervenes before they start taking my monthly payment in blood. It isn't fair, because HMOs can demand any cost they like, and I've got to pay it if I want to go on being functional and healthy. And yeh, I'm one of the lucky ones, cuz a lot of people can't even afford health insurance at all...

And the way the Welfarey healthcare system is set up now is crappy as well. Low income people, immigrants, children, they can all get free treatment or help paying, while I'm stuck paying full price because I'm not young or poor.

Heh. I feel guilty ranting in peoples' journals. *g*

Oh. And though I'm just over the line toward Republican, I still hate loudmouth Democrats and Republicans pretty much equally.
Classy kinda sassy: tai & mat are friends who look goodsimmysim on October 20th, 2003 08:36 pm (UTC)
hm. i feel like i want to give you a lap dance.
DrWorm: lovedrworm on October 20th, 2003 08:53 pm (UTC)
And I feel like I want to let you...
Classy kinda sassysimmysim on October 20th, 2003 09:04 pm (UTC)
feelings ... nothing more than feelings ...

or wait ... is it "memories, nothing more than memories?"
DrWorm: lovedrworm on October 20th, 2003 09:15 pm (UTC)
No, the feelings one is right. It's "Memory, all alone in the moonlight..."
Classy kinda sassysimmysim on October 20th, 2003 09:18 pm (UTC)
what about the one that's all, "memories ... floating past the pages in my mind ..."? that was in the final episode of happy days. when chachi and joanie got married.

is there any chachi slash anywhere? i'm slowly developing a want for it. richie/chachi. >D
ghostgecko on October 20th, 2003 08:50 pm (UTC)
My main problem with Republicans is the whole republican=christian thing. Religion shouldn't have such an impact on politics (or anything else for that matter).

As for public schools - it's a great idea in theory. But in practice . . . I remember so many people who were just coasting. It was more like public-funded day care. Get those people out of the classroom and into the workforce where they can leave the people who actually want to learn alone.
Jillwanderingrogue on October 20th, 2003 10:02 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm a Dem. But I understand the Libertarian position having considered the option for myself back on the 2000 election. I still get newsletters from the party, in fact. I suppose I have the same intense dislike for pundits like Ann Coulter than you do for pundits like Michael Moore...both of whom seem to have a problem just listening. I like open and honest discourse, not screaming back and forth. Coming from the large Irish Catholic family that I do, I learned pretty quickly that screaming wasn't the way to get anything done. And no one listens when they're mad. They just sit there waiting to have their chance to speak.

I agree that the public education system is really screwed up, but I don't necessarily think that privatization of all schools is the answer. My main problem with this is that many private schools are religious in nature. As someone who holds no religious beliefs whatsoever, I would have a problem sending my kids to one of those schools. And I worry about the teachers in the public schools who already can't get funding for stuff they need and would just have more cut backs if vouchers became the standard. In my state, public education is already in the crapper. But it's not beyond repair. I think it needs major restructuring, but I'd be hestitant to throw the whole thing out the window.

I have no problem with Republicans like McCain, people who seem to be classic Republicans who are fiscally conservative but socially more moderate. But the major power playing Republicans today seem to bare little resemblance to him. They seem beholden to the religious right who are not a part of what classical conservatism was all about. I'm concerning that they (the religious of the right) seem to be whittling away at a woman's right to choose, the separation of church and state, and civil rights (see the recent "defense of marriage week", or whatever they were calling it.)

They've ceased to be a party that is dedicated to the rights of the private individual.

Now, the Democrats haven't been much better lately. They have their own lobbyists that they have to pander to.

I really don't think that any of our politicians in this day and age have our best interests at heart, be they Republican or Democrat. That's why I've gotten to the point where I'll have to vote my conscience on election day. I can't bring myself to vote in favor of the current administration because of the various ways they've managed to screw up (the Iraq war, the easing up on environmental regulations for big businesses, being against basic civil rights for all the citizens, etc.)

I just hope the next administration doesn't disappoint the people quite as much.

Just my two cents. For whatever they're worth.
Jillwanderingrogue on October 20th, 2003 10:11 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, I will admit to being unabashedly for universal health coverage. Not only has it done pretty well in other countries, it's something that I myself need. I am insured for almost everything. But because I've had health problems regarding my reproductive system (I know, TMI, but follow me) from the time I was in my early teens, I cannot find a single insurance company to cover any aspect of my medical needs in that area. I can luckily still afford my normal physicians at this time but if my parents were to suddenly lose work or my heath were to take a major turn for the worse, I'd be up the proverbial equine feces creek without a paddle. These problems were in no way my fault and they affect many women. As long as insurance companies have free reign like this, they can continue to screw people over medically.
ghostgecko on October 21st, 2003 06:52 pm (UTC)
I agree. Libertarians say, "Work!" but if you're sick through no fault of your own, you can't. What makes me ill is the abuse of food stamps. I work in a gorcery store, and sometimes I have to fill in as a checker. I see people using their food stamps to buy fancy cookies, deli platters, sugary junk food and other expensive crap. Now let's get this straight: I'm working my ass off for $13 an hour so I can buy the minimum amount of salads, vegetables and meat to keep me alive and still pay my bills, while these people who are allegedly unable to work can eat boxes of chocolate - which MY TAXES are paying for? I'm working to buy their candy? This is wrong. This is so very wrong . . . there may be people who deserve food stamps but they should not use them to buy junk. Food stamps, if they exist at all, should be run like the Maryland WIC program. You get a voucher which entitles you to a weekly amount of certain nutritious foods (tuna, plain cereal, milk, juice, peanut butter, cheese, etc). You can only buy approved amounts of approved foods. No candy, no deli platters.
(rant over)
Jill: death sadwanderingrogue on October 22nd, 2003 01:50 pm (UTC)
Oh I agree with you there. Too many people abuse food stamps. When I worked as a carhop at a drive-in restaurant I actually had the experience of people trying to pay for their food with food stamps. For the amount of money they were spending to have us cook and serve them their food, they could have gone to the supermarket, bought the individual items needed to make the same damn thing at home, and then proceeded to do so. They just didn't want to. Whereas, my ass was running around trying to get everyone their food in all kinds of weather (be it rain or snow...we're like the post office that way ;)) for minimum wage just so I could pay my tuition. Pissed me off mightily.