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30 December 2003 @ 11:55 pm
... dude.  
I am in complete awe.

Yes, that enraptured plea makes me want to stop doing something I like, something that is not quite as illegal as this person seems to think. That's the best part about intellectual property, isn't it? Those big ol' gaping grey areas.

Okay, what if I rip out every other page so that it’s not exactly what Alice Sebold wrote, is that illegal? Yes.

Except that it sort of... isn't. I mean, it'd be "illegal" in the sense that, in this scenario, she'd be defacing a library book. Probably have to pay a fine. But there's nothing in copyright law that dictates how you are meant to use the item you purchase. I could have bought that book to put under an uneven chair leg. Is that illegal? Uh, no. And then I ripped out the pages because my great grandmother was dying and I needed something to mop up the blood... is that illegal? Damn straight! Arrest me right now!

God, it's just... the sheer holier-than-thou tone of it. Like we're all somehow grossly mistaken, and once we see the error of our ways... we'll just stop? Uh, no. I know it's wrong, I like it, I do it anyway, and I doubt that anyone will ever bother me about my piddly fan stories for movies hardly anyone gives a backward glance to.

Also, copyright law differs from country to country. One more reason why I want to go live on an island somewhere. (P.S. My icon is probably illegal too.)
Current Mood: crankycranky
Current Music: Colorfinger - Separation
diamonds or sherbert or a squirrel with a gun: pippin! made by sirenpetalfistshaker on December 30th, 2003 09:25 pm (UTC)
ugh. i HATE rants such as that... article i guess you would call it? it all comes down to people needing to LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP. you see, because we read and write fan fiction we are satan's minions! out to destroy the world with IMAGINATION!!!
DrWorm: punkdrworm on December 30th, 2003 10:52 pm (UTC)
We are out to cripple the creative minds making a living with what we are fanning over (and thus disgracing)!

And do you know how we are crippling these people...?

By giving them MONEY! Yes, not only do we steal their characters, but we also have the GALL to buy the book/movie/album/action figure and other attributed merchandise, thus making these minds very, very rich.

Haw dare we? I mean, really... not only should we quit this whole fanfiction business, but we should dismantle fandom entirely. And quit buying shit. Yeah... so that they can forever preserve their precious characters... our minds shall never again draw another conclusion about the fiction they have so lovingly crafted. Hell, I probably have a spare box or something they can use if they really want to keep their work safe from us. With a padlock and everything.
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DrWorm: unreasonabledrworm on December 30th, 2003 11:00 pm (UTC)
Re: heh.
but fails to mention works upon which copyright has expired or works which were simply never copyrighted.

Yeah, I noticed that conspicuous omission. Perhaps not writing fanfiction based on work in the public domain amounts to a higher standard of artistic morality? One that is to be discussed next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

you could say they are "stealing ideas", under her argument.

There are, like, three original ideas out there. Life, death, love. The rest is details. We're all stealing from one another, and have been for a long time (there is fairly conclusive evidence that the Christian myth of Creation is based strongly upon Ancient Egyptian myth, for example).

As says the Reduced Shakespeare Company:

Adam: So, basically, Shakespeare stole every comedy he ever wrote.
Austin: Well... "stole" is a bit harsh... "distilled," maybe?

:D Distilled. I like that better.
Meredith: bitchsillypants on December 30th, 2003 11:23 pm (UTC)
Oh God. I read that. I felt nauseous for about three days, after which time I just found it hilarious.

This is the sort of thing that happens when siblings marry.
Krystianahomicial_nny on December 31st, 2003 12:30 am (UTC)
I absolutely love (despise) how some people develop this enormous knowledge on the internet. People get brave, and they say whatever the hell they feel like.

I love it even more when fanfic authors begin critisizing published authors writing style. That... makes me laugh.

Yeah. Copyrights stink. And lost of people don't understand copyright.

There's certain things around it. I can't remember it exactly, but it's something like... Published before January 1, 1978, the copyright is good for 50 years after it was registered the first time, and published after January 1, 1978, copyright is good for the life of the author plus 28 years unless renewed by another owner of the copyright.

It's something weird like that.

Anyway, doesn't much apply here, but yeah.

You could call the article well-written, but it's not because it scares away the audience.

That's what a high school english teacher would say. Yes, indeed.
miss hattermisshatter on December 31st, 2003 01:18 am (UTC)
Yeah, and what the author isn't getting is that basically, the internet is one big, practically lawless community. They can sit there and point fingers, but nothing's going to change, and copyrights or no, nobody's going to take on the internet. It's the friggin internet! Why make a big deal over nickels and dimes when the music industry can't even end piracy after shoving good money towards trying? (And continue failing! Yay!) I think the author just has that whole "Fanfiction isn't real literature, it's just amatuerish crap" idea going, and thus has to spew up the legal reasons for why it should all just disappear. Terry Prachett started with LOTR fanfiction back in the day, and creative writing classes tend to encourage rewriting scenes or endings to different works for practice. And as for the whole thing with Anne Rice and "I'll stop if the author doesn't approve!" stuff, while the author brings up a good point that you shouldn't wait to get caught, if you aren't aware of any wrongdoing, there's no reason to quit.

Okay, I needed to get that out of my system :).
DrWorm: grrdrworm on December 31st, 2003 09:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and what the author isn't getting is that basically, the internet is one big, practically lawless community.

It's like the Old West of the new millennium. Only difference being... well, it's so hard to police someplace that doesn't actually exist. No matter how hard you try. :D The future looks bright.

creative writing classes tend to encourage rewriting scenes or endings to different works for practice.

Totally... for a lot of people, it can be a stepping stone to original work. For others, it's fun to write stories about your favorite characters and read other people's stories as well. It increases your love of the work. It keeps you interested.

It keeps you a consumer.

C'mon, marketing departments. Get on the ball here! I bet fan-friendly enterprises tend to make more than hostile ventures... *whistles* Find out where the money is, is what Sam Vimes said... (though he meant something completely different.)
like_vanillalike_vanilla on December 31st, 2003 05:05 am (UTC)
The power of wank
And I quote: "Wordy McWord from the clan McWord, dude. Word."

I myself have faced this glorious display of affronted wankery and came out with a distinct need to flame someone. (Literally.) Anyway, as an involuntary act of defiance, I was reading a LotR slash-fic in tandem with that thread >D I am teh ev0l!!1! (Which makes me an even greater sinner in their eyes I suppose.)

Just wanted to share the pain.
Cathryn (formerly catslash)remindmeofthe on December 31st, 2003 08:05 am (UTC)
Suddenly, I really want to go write some fanfic. I'm had this Charlie's Angels idea bouncing around in my head for a while. Oh, but first I'll have to track down seventeen screenwriters and ask them how my fanfic would make them FEEEEEL.

. . . But, wait, why stop there? What about the director? He has a say in the way the story is told. Oh, and the actors, too, they helped create the finished product of the characters. And I should probably run it past the producers, and the makeup artists, and oh, the guy who did all the kung fu training!

Man. Maybe I'll just fic Hamlet instead. It would be way easier just to hold a seance for Shakespeare.

Okay, serious now. Once you've published something and put it out there, it belongs to everyone who reads it or sees it. The two works I've mentioned could not possibly be more different, but they're mine just as much as they are anyone else's, because they're in my head now. Mine and countless other peoples'. We didn't create the characters, but they live in our brains now and we think about them sometimes, and maybe our thoughts have changed them a little, so those versions of those characters are ours now, every way except legally. And what's paperwork in the face of that?

If an author can't handle that, then maybe he or she should rethink that whole sharing-my-work-with-other-people thing. Sorry, but it's not going to stay pristine and sparkly and just how you wrote it. People are going to play with it and smudge it up a bit. Deal with it.
DrWorm: savagedrworm on December 31st, 2003 09:34 pm (UTC)
People are going to play with it and smudge it up a bit.

It strikes me as being a bit like the game "Telephone" ... say the same thing to two different people and you'll get two different interpretations parroted back to you. And, the more people you tell it to, the more varied and widespread the interpretations are going to be. Everyone reacts to media differently. Some of us just happen to write fanfiction for fun and for better understanding of what we read or see.

And, yeah... if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! There are plenty more in waiting who would like to take your place, that's for damn sure. :D
Cathryn (formerly catslash)remindmeofthe on January 6th, 2004 10:44 am (UTC)
Some of us just happen to write fanfiction for fun and for better understanding of what we read or see.

Exactly. I don't even know how many times I've had a sudden insight into a character or situation because writing fanfic (or reading it, for that matter) made me think about it more closely.

Also, I like your icon. =)