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21 June 2007 @ 09:59 pm
ARMS. LIKE. NOODLES.  
I'm sure ffarf already posted about this or whatever and I missed it, but dudes... that guy from Interpol who used to look like Crispin now looks like this. Whoa. I don't really know what to say or think about that.

Also, not only am I on /34/, but here as well! Makes me think I should do more that isn't crap. Because, seriously, looking at that picture four years later just makes me sadface so hard.

In other BttF news, I wrote this. It is so lame and silly of me to be proud of it, but I am! I'm also vaguely proud to have received "hatefic." And I like this because, for me, it's about getting all these thoughts together about some of the attitudes that disturb me in general in fandom (but particularly in this fandom) and in the actual movie (oh, but we could go on for days about what's wrong with the movie). Also, you know, it was to show off how SMRT I am. :D Modest too!

Anyway, my poetry class is basically :/ and I never know whether I should be editing or scrapping stuff or feeling vaguely competent. Like, I wrote this... and while I rather like it, no one really seemed to "get it." So, I mean, I'd edit it if I had any idea how to do so. But at the moment, I don't. :( Suggestions/comments?

Oh, speaking of editing... someone reviewed one of my short Pendergast fics on ff.net, and I went to reread it. Ohhhhh, it needs editing too. So much, urgh. I suppose I should make that a goal, to go over some of my old fics that I still basically like and touch them up. Nurgh, more work.

Other topics of discussion: 1408, see it, Y/N? Also, I watched The 4400 premiere and now I kind of want to slash Jeff and neo-Jesus, mostly to be silly and contrary. I'm a goof.

Oh, and I need to get my art stuff together, look for my ruler, and see whether my printmaking teacher possibly kept my print from long ago that I would like back. :( I am so shy and don't want to call her, argh. But she didn't answer my last email, so... *whines*
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Malcolm Ffarfrynardd, Esq.ffarff on June 22nd, 2007 02:17 am (UTC)
Carlos is a bit hurty, isnt he?
Malcolm Ffarfrynardd, Esq.ffarff on June 22nd, 2007 02:18 am (UTC)
and i havent really posted about it before i just didnt want to accept it.
DrWorm: chaosdrworm on June 27th, 2007 04:30 am (UTC)
I don't blame you for not wanting to accept it; it really surprised me and I can't, for the love of everything, figure out why these changes ever seemed like a good idea to him.

At least the dog is nice, I guess. :/
Malcolm Ffarfrynardd, Esq.ffarff on June 27th, 2007 04:32 am (UTC)
the dogs a total media whore. hes photos are everyw ere, even the logo of their All areas passes for the tour.
DrWorm: pretty girlsdrworm on June 27th, 2007 04:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, but at least he hasn't grown a mustache. I honestly just realized that it's the mustache that's bothering me, it makes him look like he belongs in '70s gay porn...

On a slightly different note, I think that guy in your icon is going to force me to watch those episodes of Dr. Who. I've seen those pictures a couple of times, saved them to my hard drive, and it's like taunting. Damn.
Malcolm Ffarfrynardd, Esq.ffarff on June 27th, 2007 05:03 am (UTC)
oh PLEASE watch it. its amazing. Baines is amazing. and hot and creepy and hot and creepy and hot...and amazing. he sniffs! and yells!



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Malcolm Ffarfrynardd, Esq.ffarff on June 27th, 2007 05:03 am (UTC)
Malcolm Ffarfrynardd, Esq.ffarff on June 27th, 2007 05:04 am (UTC)
honest to god, you NEEEED to see those episodes!
cherry piemorlockiness on June 22nd, 2007 02:21 am (UTC)
1)I loooove that icon.
2)I'm gonna see 1408 tomorrow. Want me to tell you how it is?
DrWorm: big headdrworm on June 22nd, 2007 02:31 am (UTC)
Hah, thank you! Yeah, I just discovered Invader Zim, like a million years behind everyone else. But hey.

And yeah, I would definitely appreciate info on 1408 and whether it's worth it. I like the short story all right, but I'm just not sure how it could really expand to be a full length movie. :/
cherry piemorlockiness on June 22nd, 2007 02:36 am (UTC)
Okie dokie. Will do. I'm hoping it's good cause there are too many bad Stephen King movies out there already.
bullwinkybullwinky on June 22nd, 2007 06:02 pm (UTC)
Your poem is amazing; I really like it quite a lot. I liked the images you used and how you arranged and phrased it. It flowed nicely, too. You crossed out the parts that could have made it less strong. Good job!
DrWorm: weirddrworm on June 23rd, 2007 02:42 am (UTC)
Thanks for the nice comments, and I'm glad you liked it, but... I guess I'm a little more interested in what kind of a theme or subject (if any) you were able to pick up from it. The problem I'm most concerned about is that people were not really getting what I was describing (and, admittedly, it's a bit esoteric).

You crossed out the parts that could have made it less strong.

Um... the text that I used strikethrough on... is that what you mean? That's still, uh, part of the poem.
bullwinkybullwinky on June 23rd, 2007 05:57 am (UTC)
That's still, uh, part of the poem.

*blushes*

I did not realize! I feel very silly. :D

I'm not sure what I think, as I am thinking lots of things.

On the surface it seems to be about someone who has had a very deep experience while watching a movie.

It flows from Kabuki Theater to Frankenstein’s monster (possibly) to Psycho (possibly). I'm not sure exactly, but it seems to be a progression from being very stiff and refined to being insane. It could be the person's journey from one mentality to the other represented by the movies.

I think it might be about someone who is angry at someone else for trying to be something other than what they are. "traitors take punishment for flight from unnatural self" is what makes me think so.

The title, as well as the possible reference to Frankenstein’s monster makes me think that possibly the person feels like they are made up out of spare parts, that they are unnatural. This combined with the "traitors take punishment--" line make me think that maybe there was someone else that was also "unnatural". "Scuffs on backs of seats where teen-aged boys braced feet" adds to this feeling of there being two.

Now that I know those bits were supposed to be there (:D) the fact that the female role is crossed out makes me think that possibly she might feel like she has been removed from the picture, and so her gender and role have also been crossed out. It might be a mother who feels her child is unnatural. This child seems to have the father wrapped around it's finger, and so she may be jealous of this.

Doctorfathertraitor seems to imply that these are all the same role. The child feels abandoned and betrayed by the doctorfatertraitor.

The fact that all of this seems to involve theater of some kind makes me think like the person feels like all of this is a form of entertainment for other people, or maybe wishes that it was only a play/movie, and that is wasn't real.

I'm sure none of this is close to what you were describing, but this is what I got from it. :)




DrWorm: weirddrworm on June 23rd, 2007 06:45 am (UTC)
I'm afraid my own editing strikethroughs/cross-outs aren't nearly so neat...

On the surface it seems to be about someone who has had a very deep experience while watching a movie.

Indeed it is. The problem I seem to be having is with conveying what that experience actually is.

Good for you for naming Frankenstein! A lot of people have been hesistant to do so. It is specifically about the original film, so yeah.

I'm not sure exactly, but it seems to be a progression from being very stiff and refined to being insane. It could be the person's journey from one mentality to the other represented by the movies.

I hadn't actually considered that myself, but yeah... Dr. Frankenstein has a kind of duality/double life to him, starting out an aristocrat and going slightly mad with the creation of the monster. So hey, good catch.

I think it might be about someone who is angry at someone else for trying to be something other than what they are.

Very much yes.

the fact that the female role is crossed out makes me think that possibly she might feel like she has been removed from the picture, and so her gender and role have also been crossed out.

Ahaha, yeeeeesssss. God, you've come so, so, so very close to what I had intended, and even picked up on some of the "father issues," I see. Which is encouraging, but at the same time a little bit weird to me; I can't figure out whether it's my writing or something else that seems to be blocking people from getting the sort of "underlying" message, which really I didn't think was all that underlying in the first place.

But yeah, it's about a gay man watching Frankenstein. I talked a bit about it in this comment too, if you're interested. And now I'm starting to feel like maybe it doesn't even matter if people get it, since it took people decades to start talking about the incredible queerness of James Whale's Frankenstein films. The people who will see it, will see it, I suppose, and the people who won't will find other things to see. Maybe I should even be a little bit thankful for the ambiguity, I don't know.

Thank you very much for your thoughts! Your comments and tchan's have made me feel a bit more solid about what I think the poem is communicating and what I'd like it to communicate. Very helpful.
bullwinkybullwinky on June 23rd, 2007 02:47 pm (UTC)
Ah, I'm so glad I came close! I had wondered about whether the man was gay or not. I decided he was, but I also decided not to say anything about in case I was wrong and sexual preference had nothing to do with the poem. :)

cherry piemorlockiness on June 23rd, 2007 01:57 am (UTC)
1408 was pretty good! I don't remember the short story so well, so I can't really compare it. The ending was a little flat, but aside from that, I really liked it. I'd see it if I were you.
tchan: people are dreadfultchan on June 23rd, 2007 03:25 am (UTC)
i can see how that poem can be confusing to some people, but i thought the subject was pretty obvious: a combination of a viewer watching an old monster/horror black-and-white film and the hidden wife of the mad scientist in the movie... right?

i'll admit that the textual framing you did is certainly interesting, i've never really seen it before, and i'm curious to know how you'd read a poem like this out loud. (read: i'm not sure where it's supposed to be considered in relation to the rest of the text; do you read it before or after all of the text it's framing?)

some of your imagery is also somewhat... disjointed? compared to your theme. a kabuki mask has the right characteristics but is alien to primitive american movies, and so it seems out of place; the syrup-and-soda image is also very strange, although i know it was used to imitate blood in black and white films (since color didnt matter, only darkness and consistency), but that image seems to be blood on someone's face, but it's too vague... is the soda supposed to be a face, or what is that image attatched to? clear that up by maybe just putting a definition out of metaphor of what it's representing.

i'm also not certain as to the purpose of the lengthy description of the man sitting in the theater as he watches--what is it creeping up his leg, the upholstery? if you want to frame the movie setting in a real setting while not detracting from the point within the movie, maybe you could describe in less detail his clothes and sensation, and give him a reason to be thinking about the doctor's wife... or am i taking the movie-goer too seriously, and he's just there as a real-world base to view the movie like the average joe would? (making the outlandish derivation of the movie plot that much stranger in contrast?)

i really, really like the ending. :)
DrWorm: weirddrworm on June 23rd, 2007 06:19 am (UTC)
a combination of a viewer watching an old monster/horror black-and-white film and the hidden wife of the mad scientist in the movie... right?

Close. It's specifically about the original Frankenstein, so yes to the monster movie. But, while his fiancee/wife is important (sort of), I didn't mean for her to be the focus as such. Funny that you would say "hidden wife." I read that originally thinking you'd made a typo and meant "hidden life."

And it ties back into the guy in the theatre you're confused by; I can sort of see where I need to show that these are specifically his observations or thoughts or whatever. I guess one thing I was kind of hesitating with was to avoid specifically denoting the point of view with "I" or "you" or "the man," but it does also make things harder when it comes to clarity.

Basically the poem is about a gay man watching Frankenstein. So do I want to frame it in strictly a real world setting? I don't really know, to be honest. But that first stanza, which I guess you'd taken as describing the doctor's wife, is actually a fairly direct description of Colin Clive as Dr. Frankenstein. (As my dad put it when I brought up the subject: "IT'S ALIIIIIIVE! I'M OVER-ACTIIIING!") But then, maybe I need to add something that directly connects that description to the doctor.

For how it would be read, well, it begins with the "kept men in jars," and from there goes into the first stanza. It's a very up-and-down-and-up poem, really. The framing lines can also be read on their own, separate from the rest of it, as sort of a mini poem-within-a-poem.

With the Kabuki mask imagery, I mean, I sort of get what you're saying, but at the same time I tend to take the view that if you're using something specific as imagery or metaphor, it's not as important to make it fit logically, so... but yeah, that's my own personal preference. And yeah, the whole blood = chocolate syrup = here's what we see in the film is what I was going for... I don't know, this is the closest picture I can find from the film itself. I can kind of see how it would come off as disjointed, though to be honest I kind of think the whole damn thing is disjointed and after awhile I get confused myself. :(

I'm very glad you like the ending, though. :)